• Turntable and Phono Stage

    Posted on July 21, 2008 by in Project

    Last month, I bid on a used Marantz TT180 turntable and I won. The seller stick the platter and tone arm with tape so that it won’t move when shipped. The idea was fail, the platter move out from where it sit and hit the cartridge. Luckly it didn’t bend the tone arm. After I clean all the mess, I turn it ON, the platter is not spinning as descripe. Some troubleshooting is needed here. I found that one mechanical switch is not working, have it fixed and it start to spin now. Ooop….! It is not build in with phono stage. How to know it will sing or not?

    The simplest way is to connect to your amplifier directly and turn the volume to MAX. You will hear it sing in a very low volume. OK, fine… it sing now. What to do next? the next thing to do is to make it sing louder. In order to do this we need a phono stage which is actually just another amplifier which have high gain(40 to 50 dB). We have two type of phono stage too, solid state and valve. Which one to build? Let do a search and see what is the results.

    I saw someone posted a tread “Phono stage success!”at diyaudio.com. Good.. this is what I want, a success story, although I don’t have 6DJ8 but I have 6N1P and this tube is identical to the 6DJ8. Later, I found that I don’t have the power transformer and I also don’t have time to wind one too. So the idea of building a tube base phono stage have to be scrap.

    From the same website (RJM Audio) as the 6Dj8 phono stage, they also have op-amp base phono stage which is very simple. I study the circuit and found that it is very interesting. Let do a test drive, I try to build a prototype first with the thing I have. I use 1% tolerence on all the resistors. My input capacitor(cap) is 1000uf and output cap is 100uf. A cheap non-polar cap for C3. I use RS207 as my power rectifier. I buy a small budget transformer with secandary voltage of 12v-0-12v writen there 1A.

    This is how the prototype look like :


    Prototype

    Circuit build up time is 4 hours. Interfacing for RCA and PSU is 1 hour. Hehee… Where is your Op-amp? I think the board I choose screwed me up because the drill hole is not compatible with IC lead. Never mind, it just a prototype. I put the IC under the board so I can make a spider net at it.

    Testing

    The testing take me about an hour. Start with the main switch on. OMG, it is as quiet as a new born baby (Huming like hell…!!!). Turn it off. Check the connection. I found that the positive and negative terminal from the rectifier was inverted. Fix it and turn it on again, alright no more huge huming but I can hear hissing. This should be the grounding problem. As you see here, Im using a plastic chasis, so because of that i try to ground the pcb to the AC ground. By doing this, the hiss sound was injected into the amp. Alright I’ll remove it. After that the hissing is gone but when the volume turn more then 9 o’clock it come back again. So what is the problem now? The turntable RCA connector come with the earth wire tangling no where. I decided to connect it to the ground cable which I remove from AC ground. Oh…hissing+huming come visit me again!, look like it was not a good idea too. Then I tangle it to the RCA input ground. Hola…! finally I successfully make the new born baby sleep.

    Playback

    I start to spin my Long playing(LP). Skeeter Davis album “Here is the answer”. Well…well…well… a lot more moody and “silence” compare to my compact disk(CD). This is my favorite album which I brought from local flee market.

    Track Listings

    1. He’ll Have to Go – Skeeter Davis, Jim Reeves, Jim Reeves
    2. He’ll Have to Stay – Skeeter Davis
    3. Last Date – Floyd Cramer, Skeeter Davis
    4. My Last Date (With You) – Skeeter Davis
    5. Tell Laura I Love Her – Skeeter Davis, Hugo Peretti, Ray Peterson
    6. Tell Tommy I Miss Him – Skeeter Davis
    7. Please Help Me, I’m Falling – Skeeter Davis, Hank Locklin
    8. (I Can’t Help You) I’m Falling Too – Skeeter Davis
    9. I Really Don’t Want to Know – Eddy Arnold, Skeeter Davis
    10. I Really Want You to Know – Skeeter Davis
    11. Just One Time – Skeeter Davis, Don Gibson
    12. I Want to See You Too (Just One Time) – Skeeter Davis
    13. Litty Bitty Tear [*] – Skeeter Davis, Porter Wagoner
    14. Have I Told You Lately That I Love You [*] – Skeeter Davis, Porter Wagoner
    15. Dear John Letter [*] – Bobby Bare, Skeeter Davis
    16. We’ll Sing in the Sunshine – Bobby Bare, , Skeeter Davis

    Stay Tune

    Althought I use no fancy components but it already sound so good and quiet. Unfortunetly, RJM Audio is not selling the pcb now. I’m planning to fabricate it. Hope fully can get a better deal.

    Phono Preamp Rebuild

    Yeah, It feel clean and nice now with the new pcb. No more spider netting. I change the color code for each terminal to avoid unwanted mistake. Red for positive, black for negative and green for ground.

    Front view

    Behind

    The black binding post is use to ground the grounding terminal from the turntable. It is soldered to the RCA ground just next to it.

    Adeus, meu AMIGOS…….!

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7 Responsesso far.

  1. dave Staker says:

    I enjoyed reading this information. Very interesting and your english is very good. I will buy one of your PCBs on ebay. Thank you for posting this information and selling the PCBs.

  2. Chang says:

    Hi,
    Good information and interesting ‘short cut’ for DIYers cutting out the hassle of making PCBs.

    BTW after reading RJM site, I found that besides the VSPS, there is also this ‘Phonoclone’ PCB which uses 2-stage amplication for MC cartridge of low output. This is just what I need since my cartridge is MC and need something of the order of 70dB gain. My question : do you have this PCB made or plan to do it in future?

    Nest question : I actually intend to use discrete Op amps instead of IC Op amps for my DIY phonostage. Have you tried using them before? Any experience with BURSONS or china gd OPA : http://www.audio-gd.com/enweb/pro/diy/OPA.htm

  3. AkitaChung says:

    Yes, I aware of that, but I don’t have the Phonoclone pcb.

    I’m planning to build a tube base phono stage in the future.

    For the discrete Op-amp, it is hard to get it here,so never try it before.

  4. Bruno says:

    Do you still have VSPS board to sold? If yes I will buy one

    Thanks

    Bruno Gagnon
    Canada

  5. Clive Wills says:

    Hi there,

    I would like to order the following;

    1 pc of vsps pcb(USD$5) + 1 bag of component(USD$12) + Shipping worldwide(USD$5) = USD$22

    Please advise how payment can be made.

    Additionaly, can you advise what pins are the inputs for the opamp, my intention is to take the signal that would be going to the opamp and sending it to a valve stage instead. Your advice and information is appreciated.

    regards,
    Clive

  6. mohd jamal yatin says:

    Pcb for VSPS Phono Preamp

    Good day to you,

    Is the PCB still available?
    Is it come complete with all the required components?
    If so then i’d like to order it from you.

    This is my address,
    Mohd Jamal B. Yatin
    No. 34, Jalan Bayan 29,
    Taman Kota Putri,
    81750 Masai,
    Johor.

    Let me know the price and payment detail.

  7. Loo Peng Guan says:

    Hi Akita Chung,

    I’m from Sungai Petani, Kedah and am looking for a phono stage. Please let me know the price (including S & H) of the one shown on your website. How do I get to order it?

    Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you.

    Best Regards,

    Loo Peng Guan

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